St. Louis Opening Doors For Other Expanion Hopefuls

St. Louis Opening Doors For Other Expanion Hopefuls

  • Posted by Drew Epperley
  • On August 27, 2008
  • 38 Comments
  • Expansion Hopefuls, St. Louis Expansion

Talk about an insert-foot-into-mouth kind of moment. Jeff Cooper, the man behind the machine that is trying to get a MLS club in the Gateway City of St. Louis had a couple comments about the league’s expansion fee.

“We’re not going to pay so much,” Cooper said.

“If they’re unreasonable with the price, we can go elsewhere,” he said.

Elsewhere huh? USL-1 elsewhere? Exactly how do you go from wooing people with millions of dollars to sign on your expansion bid to saying it may be too costly? Cooper and St. Louis were largely considered the front-runner for one of the next two bids into the league but with a comment like this one it could easily end the big before the paperwork is even processed on the bid.

Cooper and his group have a huge project on hands here. They are set to build a $573 million mixed-use soccer stadium complex. Again, telling people who are going to be paying that kind of money on a stadium and facility that it will end up being for a minor league team? That just won’t fly with people. Hell I wouldn’t even be surprised if everything falls apart for Cooper and his group if they balk at paying the league a hefty expansion fee all because its been raised since they were last told about it (then it was probably in the $10 to $20 million range…not its close to $50 million).

As much as I would like to see St. Louis in the league, this has to hurt their chances with the league. I have a feeling it easily opens the doors for other cities that are slightly on the fringe for a bid here or it helps one of those Canadian cities that are hoping to get in.

What do you make of these comments by Cooper? Kill the bid all together or is it not a big issue? Also, which city does this help out if it does hurt St. Louis?

  • Codeman

    he might as well disband his group made to bring a team. the fans there want mls not a second division team<br />
    i say portland is coming in in 2011 and with st louis out maybe montreal

  • ultratroll

    Ha-Ha! Looks good on ya, St. Losers, ya hicktown! This should open the door for truly deserving markets like Miami and New York to take their rightful and deserving places among MLS squads. The league needs sexy markets. Not useless ones like St.L, or Portland. AND DEFINETLY NOT ANOTHER CANADIAN TEAM! MONTREAL AND VANCOUVER SHOULD TAKE TORONTO FC AND START THEIR OWN LEAGUE IN CANADA! MLS IS AMERICA'S LEAGUE AND AMERICA'S ONLY!!!<br />
    <br />
    Miami and New York next. Are you listening, Garber? It's what Jesus would want!

  • Kaiser

    @ultratroll<br />
    <br />
    Deserving markets? Miami had a team and that didn't work out so well, so forget it! You can call St.Louis a hicktown, but it has a great soccer tradition and truly deserves a team (even if the owner puts his foot in his mouth). Portland should be the other team.

  • TheUltra

    This sucks to see so many fans dreams put in danger by a poor comment by their potential owner. However I always felt that St. Louis would be a better USL city than MLS. No need for two teams in Missouri when there are so many other cities that could play better hosts. <br />
    <br />
    Also Troll you are totally wrong, Miami had their chance and failed, and NY already has a team. No need to double up on that market. I have a feeling Portland and Montreal are now perfectly set up to be the next clubs in MLS.

  • Codeman

    he might as well disband his group made to bring a team. the fans there want mls not a second division team
    i say portland is coming in in 2011 and with st louis out maybe montreal

  • ultratroll

    Ha-Ha! Looks good on ya, St. Losers, ya hicktown! This should open the door for truly deserving markets like Miami and New York to take their rightful and deserving places among MLS squads. The league needs sexy markets. Not useless ones like St.L, or Portland. AND DEFINETLY NOT ANOTHER CANADIAN TEAM! MONTREAL AND VANCOUVER SHOULD TAKE TORONTO FC AND START THEIR OWN LEAGUE IN CANADA! MLS IS AMERICA’S LEAGUE AND AMERICA’S ONLY!!!

    Miami and New York next. Are you listening, Garber? It’s what Jesus would want!

  • Kaiser

    @ultratroll

    Deserving markets? Miami had a team and that didn’t work out so well, so forget it! You can call St.Louis a hicktown, but it has a great soccer tradition and truly deserves a team (even if the owner puts his foot in his mouth). Portland should be the other team.

  • This sucks to see so many fans dreams put in danger by a poor comment by their potential owner. However I always felt that St. Louis would be a better USL city than MLS. No need for two teams in Missouri when there are so many other cities that could play better hosts.

    Also Troll you are totally wrong, Miami had their chance and failed, and NY already has a team. No need to double up on that market. I have a feeling Portland and Montreal are now perfectly set up to be the next clubs in MLS.

  • TJ

    Sad to see that one of the big suppliers of soccer talent in America is starting to lose out on an MLS franchise in that I am referring to St. Louis. I think it is ridiculous of Garber to raise the price tag from about 10 or 20 million to 50 million – say 30 million would suffice. Garber shouldn't worry his fat little head about prices tags on franchises and start figuring out the SHITTY officiating that this league produces on a game to game basis. I am a huge supporter of MLS and a season ticket holder of the LA Galaxy (yes, I can admit that)! I attend numerous games and view them via satellite as well and it pains me to watch the crappy officiating – this league needs to improve on that or more players are going to want to leave because of it – that as well as the paltry salaries these guys receive – below minimum wage!<br />
    In regards to other clubs – NY does not need another team any time soon – they can barely get enough fans to see their one franchise! I would take Miami or Portland and that converted minor league baseball stadium at this point. I would rather see Vancouver get awarded a franchise over Montreal if we had to pick one Canadian group to be added – at least they have a better support group and already have stadium plans ongoing! Plus, Vancouver is a beautiful place to play and I may need a new team to support after what Liewecke and AEG is doing to the LA Galaxy!

  • TJ

    Sad to see that one of the big suppliers of soccer talent in America is starting to lose out on an MLS franchise in that I am referring to St. Louis. I think it is ridiculous of Garber to raise the price tag from about 10 or 20 million to 50 million – say 30 million would suffice. Garber shouldn’t worry his fat little head about prices tags on franchises and start figuring out the SHITTY officiating that this league produces on a game to game basis. I am a huge supporter of MLS and a season ticket holder of the LA Galaxy (yes, I can admit that)! I attend numerous games and view them via satellite as well and it pains me to watch the crappy officiating – this league needs to improve on that or more players are going to want to leave because of it – that as well as the paltry salaries these guys receive – below minimum wage!
    In regards to other clubs – NY does not need another team any time soon – they can barely get enough fans to see their one franchise! I would take Miami or Portland and that converted minor league baseball stadium at this point. I would rather see Vancouver get awarded a franchise over Montreal if we had to pick one Canadian group to be added – at least they have a better support group and already have stadium plans ongoing! Plus, Vancouver is a beautiful place to play and I may need a new team to support after what Liewecke and AEG is doing to the LA Galaxy!

  • Mr. Milton

    @TJ<br />
    Vancouver would be nice, but Montreal probably is more prepared for a team. They just opened a new 13000 seat stadium which can be expanded to 20000+. I would like to see both cites get into the league as they both should be able to generate a large fan base.

  • Wuzzzzard

    St.Louis sux!!! Which is why I wanted them in the league so badly…KC hates the Lou, always has and always will cuz they not only are SORE LOSERS (1985)….but rather bcuz they all have their heads so far up their collective Arce with some misconstrued sense of entitlement. The league did not drop a $50 million price tag out of the blue…it has been on the rise. I think philly paid $40. St.Louis needs to step up or step off (JUST ADMIT THAT YOU ARE A MINOR LEAGUE TOWN)….a second-class citizen in the great state of MO! There is nothing wrong with being number two.<br />
    <br />
    wuzzzzard out.

  • Wuzzzzard

    RIP St. Louis<br />
    <br />
    It would have been fun to travel to your city &amp; taste your tears.

  • Mr. Milton

    @TJ
    Vancouver would be nice, but Montreal probably is more prepared for a team. They just opened a new 13000 seat stadium which can be expanded to 20000+. I would like to see both cites get into the league as they both should be able to generate a large fan base.

  • Kaiser

    @Wuzzzzard<br />
    <br />
    Wouldn't you want St. Louis in the league to provide your team with a rival? I've always thought that would be one of the best in the league. Besides, maybe then some people would start showing up to some games in that dumpy little minor league baseball stadium you have.

  • Wuzzzzard

    St.Louis sux!!! Which is why I wanted them in the league so badly…KC hates the Lou, always has and always will cuz they not only are SORE LOSERS (1985)….but rather bcuz they all have their heads so far up their collective Arce with some misconstrued sense of entitlement. The league did not drop a $50 million price tag out of the blue…it has been on the rise. I think philly paid $40. St.Louis needs to step up or step off (JUST ADMIT THAT YOU ARE A MINOR LEAGUE TOWN)….a second-class citizen in the great state of MO! There is nothing wrong with being number two.

    wuzzzzard out.

  • Wuzzzzard

    RIP St. Louis

    It would have been fun to travel to your city & taste your tears.

  • Kaiser

    @Wuzzzzard

    Wouldn’t you want St. Louis in the league to provide your team with a rival? I’ve always thought that would be one of the best in the league. Besides, maybe then some people would start showing up to some games in that dumpy little minor league baseball stadium you have.

  • ultratroll

    OK, there appears to be some very stupid people posting messages on this board who think Miami and New York don't deserve to be in MLS. Therefore, I strongly recomend these idiots read this and read it slowly so that the information can be better processed in their micro tiny peabrains.<br />
    <br />
    First off, New York Red Bulls ARE NOT A NEW YORK TEAM! They're a NEW JERSEY team based in… NEW JERSEY! Real New York fans will NOT cross the river to support another state's team, even if that team has New York plastered on its logo. AND DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULLCRAP ABOUT THE GIANTS AND JETS! WAY DIFFERENT CASES! Mets owner Fred Wilpon wants to build a soccer specific stadium where Shea Stadium is, who has plenty of dough to write a $50 million check to pay for a team, and has the expertise in sports management to make it a success. New York is the financial and media capital of America, where once MLS's NYCFC gets going will generate plenty of interest and corporate dollars the league needs to make it the success it deserves to be.<br />
    <br />
    And as for Miami, understand this: the city has made a proposal for a SSS to be built at the site of the old Orange Bowl. They will offer up half of the cost to build it while the prospective owner pays the other half and keeps all the revenue streams the building can produce. Well here's what'll happen. Phil Anschutz, head of AEG and driving force of MLS, will pay the cost of the other half of the stadium. MLS awards a team to Anschutz to be placed in Miami, and then, when the team is about ready to kick off, Anschutz hands the entire Miami franchise over to David Beckham, star player of the LA Galaxy for which Anschutz owns, once his playing days are over, as was guaranteed in his MLS contract he signed and was discovered on 60 Minutes earlier this year. Becks, Posh, and the boys will move to Miami, a city perfectly suited for them, to overlook David's very own soccer team.<br />
    <br />
    That's it, boneheads. That's what will happen. No St. Louis. No Portland. AND DEFINETLY NO CANUCKISTANI OUTBACK!!! It's Miami and New York all the way, baby. Two cities far and away the most deserving to be in MLS, and the two cities that will put MLS over the top. That's MY expert analysis. Don't like it? I don't care. SUCK MY LONG ONE !!!!!!!!!!

  • ultratroll

    OK, there appears to be some very stupid people posting messages on this board who think Miami and New York don’t deserve to be in MLS. Therefore, I strongly recomend these idiots read this and read it slowly so that the information can be better processed in their micro tiny peabrains.

    First off, New York Red Bulls ARE NOT A NEW YORK TEAM! They’re a NEW JERSEY team based in… NEW JERSEY! Real New York fans will NOT cross the river to support another state’s team, even if that team has New York plastered on its logo. AND DON’T GIVE ME THAT BULLCRAP ABOUT THE GIANTS AND JETS! WAY DIFFERENT CASES! Mets owner Fred Wilpon wants to build a soccer specific stadium where Shea Stadium is, who has plenty of dough to write a $50 million check to pay for a team, and has the expertise in sports management to make it a success. New York is the financial and media capital of America, where once MLS’s NYCFC gets going will generate plenty of interest and corporate dollars the league needs to make it the success it deserves to be.

    And as for Miami, understand this: the city has made a proposal for a SSS to be built at the site of the old Orange Bowl. They will offer up half of the cost to build it while the prospective owner pays the other half and keeps all the revenue streams the building can produce. Well here’s what’ll happen. Phil Anschutz, head of AEG and driving force of MLS, will pay the cost of the other half of the stadium. MLS awards a team to Anschutz to be placed in Miami, and then, when the team is about ready to kick off, Anschutz hands the entire Miami franchise over to David Beckham, star player of the LA Galaxy for which Anschutz owns, once his playing days are over, as was guaranteed in his MLS contract he signed and was discovered on 60 Minutes earlier this year. Becks, Posh, and the boys will move to Miami, a city perfectly suited for them, to overlook David’s very own soccer team.

    That’s it, boneheads. That’s what will happen. No St. Louis. No Portland. AND DEFINETLY NO CANUCKISTANI OUTBACK!!! It’s Miami and New York all the way, baby. Two cities far and away the most deserving to be in MLS, and the two cities that will put MLS over the top. That’s MY expert analysis. Don’t like it? I don’t care. SUCK MY LONG ONE !!!!!!!!!!

  • Wuzzzzzard

    You misunderstood…I would love for St. Louis to have a team b/c I too think it would be good for the Wizards to have a true rival to hate. That said, St. Louis sux and this whole episode is just evidence to the whole world how much they super suck. I mean didn't Budweiser just make a bunch o' billion dollars by selling out? Can't they throw a couple dollars Cooper's way? They also have some great strip clubs in East St.Louis….that could benefit from a soccer team/stadium up the road (why can't they donate some money)?<br />
    <br />
    I also would like to see another team in New York (cuz I feel it would be good for the league)…..but I am sick of the argument that RBNY is not supported because it is in Jersey. I know you hate the argument of the Jets/Giants, but it is a valid point and you have no answer. Like most East Coast boneheads, rather than supporting your argument with facts—you think you merely saying so makes it true….YAWN. There are like 500 billion people in the New York Metropolitan area….if you can't fill the stadium..I say that's just plain sad and you have no one but yourself to blame if you don't get a second team.

  • Wuzzzzzard

    You misunderstood…I would love for St. Louis to have a team b/c I too think it would be good for the Wizards to have a true rival to hate. That said, St. Louis sux and this whole episode is just evidence to the whole world how much they super suck. I mean didn’t Budweiser just make a bunch o’ billion dollars by selling out? Can’t they throw a couple dollars Cooper’s way? They also have some great strip clubs in East St.Louis….that could benefit from a soccer team/stadium up the road (why can’t they donate some money)?

    I also would like to see another team in New York (cuz I feel it would be good for the league)…..but I am sick of the argument that RBNY is not supported because it is in Jersey. I know you hate the argument of the Jets/Giants, but it is a valid point and you have no answer. Like most East Coast boneheads, rather than supporting your argument with facts—you think you merely saying so makes it true….YAWN. There are like 500 billion people in the New York Metropolitan area….if you can’t fill the stadium..I say that’s just plain sad and you have no one but yourself to blame if you don’t get a second team.

  • ultratroll

    Memo to Wuzzzzzard: New York WILL GET A SECOND TEAM!!! Why? 'CUZ GARBER AND MLS KNOW THE VALUE OF HAVING AN MLS TEAM INSIDE THE BORDERS OF NEW YORK PROPER!!!<br />
    <br />
    And if you want some other reasons then I would strongly suggest you Google the word &quot;Borough Boys&quot; and you will find sites dedicated to the supporters group dedicated to bringing New York's second and truest MLS team. They give you plenty more with the famous New York attitude that's famous.<br />
    <br />
    But like I said, I'M RIGHT, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT A LITTLE BRAINLESS TURD LIKE YOU THINKS OF MY IDEA!!! SO SUCK MY LONG ONE SLOWLY, BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

  • ultratroll

    Memo to Wuzzzzzard: New York WILL GET A SECOND TEAM!!! Why? ‘CUZ GARBER AND MLS KNOW THE VALUE OF HAVING AN MLS TEAM INSIDE THE BORDERS OF NEW YORK PROPER!!!

    And if you want some other reasons then I would strongly suggest you Google the word “Borough Boys” and you will find sites dedicated to the supporters group dedicated to bringing New York’s second and truest MLS team. They give you plenty more with the famous New York attitude that’s famous.

    But like I said, I’M RIGHT, AND I DON’T CARE WHAT A LITTLE BRAINLESS TURD LIKE YOU THINKS OF MY IDEA!!! SO SUCK MY LONG ONE SLOWLY, BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wuzzzard

    Yawn…..I'm sorry did you say something.

  • Wuzzzard

    Yawn…..I’m sorry did you say something.

  • ultratroll

    Yes. And it was intelligent. Something a douchebag like you would understand if only you'd advance past the Dr. Seuss books you keep reading.

  • ultratroll

    Yes. And it was intelligent. Something a douchebag like you would understand if only you’d advance past the Dr. Seuss books you keep reading.

  • Kaiser

    @ultratroll<br />
    <br />
    I think this argument can be explained by realizing that our definitions of &quot;deserve&quot; are differerent. You think of deserve as a strong ownership group with the ability to build a SSS. You are correct that that is exactly what this league needs. Strong owners and stadiums are vital to MLS.<br />
    <br />
    However I think of deserve more in terms of cities with a history in soccer, a history of youth programs that produce players, and a group of dedicated fans that will turn out. In those areas both Portland and St. Louis distinguish themselves. Groups like Timbers Army thrive and support the game the way it should be supported. The Borough Boys and a strong ownership group make strong case for NY2. Plus Portland, STL, and NY2 would have natural rivals that could really help the league. I can see your NY2 argument. However, even if what people think about Red Bulls isn't true, those ideas about NY fans not turning out hurts a NY2 bid.<br />
    <br />
    The point I disagree with you on is Miami. They had a team and it failed, and I don't see them having the support of the other three cities mentioned. Also providing David Beckham a team by the beach should be way down on the list of factors for choosing a city. AEG has been a part of many MLS teams, and I think the league will be stronger if it has a more diversified group of owners, rather than one group with multiple teams.

  • Kaiser

    @ultratroll

    I think this argument can be explained by realizing that our definitions of “deserve” are differerent. You think of deserve as a strong ownership group with the ability to build a SSS. You are correct that that is exactly what this league needs. Strong owners and stadiums are vital to MLS.

    However I think of deserve more in terms of cities with a history in soccer, a history of youth programs that produce players, and a group of dedicated fans that will turn out. In those areas both Portland and St. Louis distinguish themselves. Groups like Timbers Army thrive and support the game the way it should be supported. The Borough Boys and a strong ownership group make strong case for NY2. Plus Portland, STL, and NY2 would have natural rivals that could really help the league. I can see your NY2 argument. However, even if what people think about Red Bulls isn’t true, those ideas about NY fans not turning out hurts a NY2 bid.

    The point I disagree with you on is Miami. They had a team and it failed, and I don’t see them having the support of the other three cities mentioned. Also providing David Beckham a team by the beach should be way down on the list of factors for choosing a city. AEG has been a part of many MLS teams, and I think the league will be stronger if it has a more diversified group of owners, rather than one group with multiple teams.

  • Cannon Girl

    Hey guys…it'd be cool if some of you refrained from using The Lord's name in vain. HE loves ALL of us a lot so why not give HIM the respect HE deserves? Peace 🙂

  • Cannon Girl

    Hey guys…it’d be cool if some of you refrained from using The Lord’s name in vain. HE loves ALL of us a lot so why not give HIM the respect HE deserves? Peace 🙂

  • ultratroll

    GET THE FUCK OFF THE BOARDS OR LICK MY BALLS, FOR GOD'S SAKES!!! YOUR CHOICE!<br />
    <br />
    &lt;===3

  • Cannon Girl

    You know 'troll…we all realize how frustrating it must be for you cleaning out fry vats day in and day out…but why not be thankful you at least have a job in this economy? I mean somebody actually hired you—LOL!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • ultratroll

    GET THE FUCK OFF THE BOARDS OR LICK MY BALLS, FOR GOD’S SAKES!!! YOUR CHOICE!

    <===3

  • Cannon Girl

    You know ‘troll…we all realize how frustrating it must be for you cleaning out fry vats day in and day out…but why not be thankful you at least have a job in this economy? I mean somebody actually hired you—LOL!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Drew Epperley

    okay okay…I realized I should have stepped in days ago on this, so I am closing comments on this post…please in the future refrain from using vulgar language, next time I won't be so carefree to let it go.

  • okay okay…I realized I should have stepped in days ago on this, so I am closing comments on this post…please in the future refrain from using vulgar language, next time I won’t be so carefree to let it go.