Third Club To Be Included In McBride Deal?

Third Club To Be Included In McBride Deal?

  • Posted by Drew Epperley
  • On June 24, 2008
  • 14 Comments
  • Brian McBride, Dwayne De Rosario, Trades

One thing we’ve seen over the last couple of weeks in the Brian McBride sweepstakes is that Toronto FC (the MLS holders to McBrides allocation rights) are not messing around in getting someone or something that they want in a trade deal for the American striker.

And why shouldn’t they budge? There’s no rule saying you have to be Mr. Nice Guy to make a deal in this league or to allow someone to return to the league and play where he wants to play.

Chicago wants McBride, McBride wants Chicago. Toronto wants Justin Mapp or Wilman Conde, Chicago wants a designated player slot.

Needless to say, neither side is seeing eye to eye on this deal. The longer it goes on the worse it could get for the Fire. Remember, Toronto could also end up with someone else if a player that the league deems allocation worthy comes along in the coming weeks and wants to sign with the league. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because that would throw a lot of things out the window. More or less you would see every club “pass” on McBride so Chicago could sign him. Even then they would still have to dump some salary and trade some parts away.

So for time sake and argument sake, we will go into another direction with this deal. A third trade partner in the deal. Ultimately I see another club joining in on this fun and helping both sides out in getting this deal finalized.

What club? Gareth Wheeler at the Toronto Sun believes it should be the Houston Dynamo. Why the two-time champs? Easy, they have a certain Canadian midfielder that the Reds would die to have. A certain Toronto native that would probably enjoy coming home to play for his local side.

Yes, I am talking about Dwayne De Rosario. Wheeler thinks Toronto needs Houston to enter the deal so they can get DeRo, Chicago can get McBride and Houston can get whatever. The article mentions that Houston has indeed fallen out of championship form this season and has started to look rather old. I agree partly to that but I can see where Wheeler is trying to figure out any way he can to get DeRo to Toronto.

Toronto would trade away a couple young players, Chicago would probably deal a young player as well to Houston, and I am assuming Houston sends a DP slot to the Windy City. Just assuming, Wheeler doesn’t exactly say one thing or another about that issue. Chicago needs it and wants it, so I am guessing Houston will be dealing it.

I like this deal for a couple of reasons. Sure it doesn’t exactly answer the striker issues for either Toronto or Houston but it puts some solid youth (potentially) in Houston’s favor for Dominic Kinnear to develop. It sends a local star home to Toronto, which will help their offense and make them more entertaining.

The thing I wonder is with Toronto; their midfield is already slightly loaded and I wonder exactly where DeRo would fit along side Amado Guevara, Rohan Ricketts, Laurent Robert and Maurice Edu. I doubt one of those four would be traded in any deal.

Still, whatever does happen, a third party entering into this McBride deal makes perfect sense. You have two clubs that are playing well with one another and aren’t seeing things on the same page. Bring in another trade partner and even things out. If Houston is that club like Wheeler thinks, this could be a blockbuster type of deal we could see in the coming weeks.

No real word, other than Wheeler’s speculation on if Houston is indeed looking to enter this deal. Or even if they’d be willing to part with their best player, which I highly doubt unless a great deal came along. I know Houston fans will scream a loud NO to this deal but could end up being what’s best for the club in the long run. Who knows.

Toronto still owns the cards here. Its just a matter of what they really want to do with them here is the question. Everyone right now is saying Chicago just needs to bite the bullet and get the deal done but I think they both need some help here to smooth things out.

  • Der Kaiser

    That DeRo deal is stupid! Why would Houston give up its best player? Not cause he's Canadian and they feel bad and want to send him home! Sure they look a little old, but I can't think of a combo of players that makes them significantly better. Add to that the fact that Houston would give up a DP and this deal is just plain nuts!!!!! If Houston makes that deal they should instantly be relegated (bring up Portland in thier place)! Plus Toronto would have 5 talented midfielders and no solid striker.<br />
    <br />
    If you want a 3 way deal that makes sense here it is:<br />
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    Chicago gets: McBride and Dunavant<br />
    Toronto gets: Ruiz, Jazic (there's your Canadian!) and a draft pick<br />
    LA gets: Conde and Segares<br />
    <br />
    Chicago gets thier striker…Toronto gets thier striker and a canadian…LA instantly improves thier defense! Think about it…it makes sense.

  • Bob

    &quot;More or less you would see every club 'pass' on McBride so Chicago could sign him. Even then they would still have to dump some salary and trade some parts away.&quot;<br />
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    If this situation would occur, why would every club 'pass' on McBride? Wouldn't the next team in the allocation list begin negotiations with Chicago?

  • Drew Epperley

    Bob, I basically was implying that they would all &quot;pass&quot;…not meaning they wouldn't deal with Chicago. It would basically mean they would probably be a bit easier to deal with Chicago than Toronto is right now. Either way the league and the Fire want McBride happy and in Chicago and McBride wants to be happy and in Chicago. <br />
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    DK. yeah your deal makes a lot of sense as well. I was mostly just reaction to Wheeler's article and trade discussion. I'm still a bit puzzled by his trade talk but that's what I got out of it. And I wouldn't be at all shocked to see LA get in the mix if possible. I just doubt Ruiz would want to be involved.

  • Chris

    The notion that Houston will trade De Rosario for young up and coming players is absurd. Dominic Kinnear said on Glenn Davis weekly radio show that he makes trades for immediate impact to win NOW. There were long negotiations with De Ro to get a multi year contract that keeps him in Houston through 2010. Furthermore, De Ro looks to be the answer to Houston's problem of a missing forward. With all the depth Houston has in the midfield, moving Stuart Holden off the bench to starting attacking midfield and De Ro up front will bring Houston back into contention for a 3rd consecutive MLS cup appearance. To say that Houston will trade De Ro for young up and coming talent is to say that Houston will surrender the possibility of winning it this season. NEVER going to happen.

  • Der Kaiser

    That DeRo deal is stupid! Why would Houston give up its best player? Not cause he’s Canadian and they feel bad and want to send him home! Sure they look a little old, but I can’t think of a combo of players that makes them significantly better. Add to that the fact that Houston would give up a DP and this deal is just plain nuts!!!!! If Houston makes that deal they should instantly be relegated (bring up Portland in thier place)! Plus Toronto would have 5 talented midfielders and no solid striker.

    If you want a 3 way deal that makes sense here it is:

    Chicago gets: McBride and Dunavant
    Toronto gets: Ruiz, Jazic (there’s your Canadian!) and a draft pick
    LA gets: Conde and Segares

    Chicago gets thier striker…Toronto gets thier striker and a canadian…LA instantly improves thier defense! Think about it…it makes sense.

  • Bob

    “More or less you would see every club ‘pass’ on McBride so Chicago could sign him. Even then they would still have to dump some salary and trade some parts away.”

    If this situation would occur, why would every club ‘pass’ on McBride? Wouldn’t the next team in the allocation list begin negotiations with Chicago?

  • tex

    Hello everybody, did you forget that this MLS and there are no rules and no team rights. MLS will decide who goes where and when and for what…..that's why MLS stands for Minor League Soccer.

  • Bob, I basically was implying that they would all “pass”…not meaning they wouldn’t deal with Chicago. It would basically mean they would probably be a bit easier to deal with Chicago than Toronto is right now. Either way the league and the Fire want McBride happy and in Chicago and McBride wants to be happy and in Chicago.

    DK. yeah your deal makes a lot of sense as well. I was mostly just reaction to Wheeler’s article and trade discussion. I’m still a bit puzzled by his trade talk but that’s what I got out of it. And I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see LA get in the mix if possible. I just doubt Ruiz would want to be involved.

  • Chris

    The notion that Houston will trade De Rosario for young up and coming players is absurd. Dominic Kinnear said on Glenn Davis weekly radio show that he makes trades for immediate impact to win NOW. There were long negotiations with De Ro to get a multi year contract that keeps him in Houston through 2010. Furthermore, De Ro looks to be the answer to Houston’s problem of a missing forward. With all the depth Houston has in the midfield, moving Stuart Holden off the bench to starting attacking midfield and De Ro up front will bring Houston back into contention for a 3rd consecutive MLS cup appearance. To say that Houston will trade De Ro for young up and coming talent is to say that Houston will surrender the possibility of winning it this season. NEVER going to happen.

  • tex

    Hello everybody, did you forget that this MLS and there are no rules and no team rights. MLS will decide who goes where and when and for what…..that’s why MLS stands for Minor League Soccer.

  • americandust

    If I'm Houstan there's no way I'm trading both DeRo and my DP spot. I would trade DeRo for Edu, but I don't know what would make me trade a DP spot at this point.

  • If I’m Houstan there’s no way I’m trading both DeRo and my DP spot. I would trade DeRo for Edu, but I don’t know what would make me trade a DP spot at this point.

  • occupant

    Kaiser, you're on crack if you think Chicago would even entertain the idea of trading Segares. Conde, on the other hand, maybe to a western team. It's well known he's unhappy and not playing right now. I don't know why everyone thinks that Toronto &quot;holds all the cards&quot;? McBride wants to play in Chicago and only Chicago. If Toronto and Chicago don't come to terms, it's not like McBride would play for Toronto or any other team. It's entirely possible that McBride would just take the year off. Especially since he wouldn't be available till mid July anyways and wants to play in the Olympics. I don't see Houston giving up DeRo and a DP for nothing. Maybe this is just the type of situation that will make the league wake up and get rid of this ridiculous DP/allocation nonsense. The only reason that Toronto (a canadian team) has rights to an American Nat is because of this stupid rule. The fact that McBride can't just sign with the team of his choosing is ri-goddamn-diculous.

  • occupant

    Kaiser, you’re on crack if you think Chicago would even entertain the idea of trading Segares. Conde, on the other hand, maybe to a western team. It’s well known he’s unhappy and not playing right now. I don’t know why everyone thinks that Toronto “holds all the cards”? McBride wants to play in Chicago and only Chicago. If Toronto and Chicago don’t come to terms, it’s not like McBride would play for Toronto or any other team. It’s entirely possible that McBride would just take the year off. Especially since he wouldn’t be available till mid July anyways and wants to play in the Olympics. I don’t see Houston giving up DeRo and a DP for nothing. Maybe this is just the type of situation that will make the league wake up and get rid of this ridiculous DP/allocation nonsense. The only reason that Toronto (a canadian team) has rights to an American Nat is because of this stupid rule. The fact that McBride can’t just sign with the team of his choosing is ri-goddamn-diculous.